Fears of a possible constitutional crisis are on the rise following an apparent standoff between Donald Trump and a federal judge after the president was ordered to stop deportation flights traveling to El Salvador. Meanwhile, Trump also moved to dismantle the Department of Education this week—and it is still unclear how much of the agency will remain intact. Panelists on Washington Week With The Atlantic joined to discuss.

Since taking office, Trump has gone after executive agencies, congressionally authorized programs, the military, and now he’s going after the judiciary, David Ignatius said last night. “I do think that ahead of us is a confrontation in which the Supreme Court is going to decide what executive authority the president has.” But until that moment is reached, he continued, “I wouldn’t say we’re at the constitutional crisis.”

“It’s not unheard of that a litigant before a court would defy a judge, what would be unheard of is if it went to the end of the road” to the Supreme Court, Michael Scherer added to the discussion. “If he defies this court, that would be a remarkable moment.”

Joining the editor in chief of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, to discuss this and more: Eugene Daniels, a senior Washington correspondent and co-host of The Weekend on MSNBC; David Ignatius, a columnist at The Washington Post; Michael Scherer, a staff writer at The Atlantic; Nancy Youssef, a national-security correspondent for The Wall Street Journal.

Watch the full episode here.